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Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.19 11:40:30 -
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lowsec is fine only problem is cyno and drops...
obviously cyno cannot be removed but dropping 5 carriers on procurer come on... |
Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.20 13:45:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Vokan Narkar wrote:lowsec is fine only problem is cyno and drops...
obviously cyno cannot be removed but dropping 5 carriers on procurer come on... This is not a game problem but a player base problem. People would rather hell-dunk than have a fight. Remove cynos. Player base behavior will change to adapt. no, they will leave lowsec
Only those dropping caps in every opportunity will leave and it will be a good thing.
I live(d) in one ls region few months and it looks like this.
Corporations living there are afraid to fight each other in ls unless they have an mutual agreement that they won't use a cyno (friendly enemies concept). Because everytime you start bigger fight the other side will light a cyno and drop capitals to overrun you. Even if none of the sides has actually capitals, they might have agreement with one of the ns groups dropping ls noobs - they do it for free as long there are targets worth the killboard. And let say you have one capital pilot and you try to drop on their drop. What happens is they will escalate...
So ls as it is now is a farm zone and gank zone. Peoples are ganking with t3+cyno drops or stratios/astero if they are solo most of the time. The few rare fleet fights usually end up with a capital drop, POCO/BOS bashing always end up with a capital drop because even those who have no defending capatibility can just simply call to the Initiative or other dropping groups and tell them hey guys in this sector there is 15 peoples in battleships bashing POCO, do you want to drop them? And they will want to do it.
Majority of the players dropping capitals in ls doesn't even live in ls. They live in neighboaring ns and sending a solo t3 gankers around all the ls because they are bored in ns or idk what.
It sounds to me that you are one of those roaming around in tengu dropping sin on procurers you gank. Am I wrong?
Anyway - even I though removal of cyno is not doable in lowsec from a mechanical/gameplay point of view. I take back, if the cyno in ls would be changed so only JF can jump into it or perhaps it would be restricted to 0.1 it could work.
And it would be easy to see if it kills LS or not - simply temporarily try it out in single LS region for a month or two and see how it goes. I bet the life in there increases. |
Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.20 23:29:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote: but i really shouldnt complain about you buffing gatecamping. It doesnt buff gatecamps. Just removes jumping over them in LS. it does because all i simply need to do is put scouts in each surrounding system around where i am camping, i dont need to worry about someone dropping blops, or capitals, i can see any hostile fleet coming into my system and i can just warp off the gate. currently all someone needs to do is have a nuetral cyno jump in system and gg gatecamp gets rekt'd by a ton of blops and nobody has any time to respond because its over in the blink of an eye thats a buff to gatecamps
I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right?
Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it.
It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno.
Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap. |
Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:20:06 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Orakkus wrote:In addition, in order to make Low-sec more viable it NEEDS cynos and caps. It needs to develop an industrial base, and you can't have that if you can't import and export materials and goods. And you can't have an industrial base without people, and you can't have people without some measure of safety and convenience. And once you have more people, then and only then do you get more content. Explain how LS industry cant be viable without cynos or caps. Once cynos/caps are removed, your import/export is improved, as you dont need to fear cyno/cap drops that grossly exceed your effort or capacity to deal with them. no its not because you need to take gates through pirate infested space!
No you don't have to. You can wait for any WH into HS or WH chain into HS. Safe WH (chain) will appear in specific system at least once per week if you have connexes to get this information or players who can search for it. |
Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:46:57 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Quote:Quote:
no its not because you need to take gates through pirate infested space!
No you don't have to. You can wait for any WH into HS or WH chain into HS. Safe WH (chain) will appear in specific system at least once per week if you have connexes to get this information or players who can search for it. thats such a reliable solution! if its that easy why are cyno's and freighters a problem in lowsec again? i forget how long have you been playing eve? and what is it you do in eve, do you run a logistics wing for any sort of lowsec or nullsec alliance?
Wut? lol WHs have nothing to do with cyno - its the other way around. You don't need WH (chain) because you can simply use JF to get bring the goods in and out. WHs are now only for those who didnt skilled JF yet. Because traveling through gcs is pain already and while I can use Blockade Runner to get past gc, it doesn't have too high cargo and sometimes you need to bring ships and minerals to the LS. The problems you claim that will happen if cyno will be removed from ls are problems already. But only to those who can't afford JF or can't fly it. But then there are backdoors in form of WH who solves the issue the only disadvantage is that you must wait till they appear as opposed to bring a JF every day at same time.
Who am I, how long do I play and what I do is not relevant to the discussion. But I play long enough and tried all types of space and all activities you can do in this game except POS maintaining.
Lan Wang wrote:this is a reply to another post you have posted... Vokan Narkar wrote:First - thats the problem here. In order to compress ore I have to travel 5 jumps through lowsec. Not very viable with Tayra which have the 25k only when you max cargo-upgrade it which makes it a one-shot fit not suitable to fly through lowsec. Miasmos has double the cargohold and can be fitted with stabs/intertials. Even if the route wouldn't be through lowsec, its twice as much jumps with the bigger industrial compared to what Gallente alpha clone can do with Miasmos. GG mate
This is why Im not using main character on this forum anymore. Unless you propose something which makes it easier to destroy ships players like you will start digging on you telling you that you don't play 10 years as they do and you know nothing about this game, mocking you, your killboard or even telling you that you should not play this game as its obviously not for someone who plays how you play.
So mature! |
Vokan Narkar
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Posted - 2017.03.23 00:57:56 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Vokan Narkar wrote:stupid stuff what salvos is proposing is making it easier to kill ships...
Is it? All I see in this thread is that you scream that without cyno you can't destroy enemy gc because they will always run from you and dock on station. Which is reasonable to expect if they get scouts behind every gate out of the system. Because as we know, PvP in eve is always about advantage - you know their gc composition so you take ships that counters them, stronger ships or just drop a capitals on their heads. And if you can't drop capitals on their heads and they will see you coming in double their count sure as hell they won't stay on that gate to fight you
I don't think that removing cyno from ls will suddenly drag industrials and missioners into gates. Those who does pve or industry in ls live in some abadoned ls that is not on any main route or fw. Main hs entry ls gates are already camped 23/7 and therefore anyone who lives in hs and flies to ls to do a mission knows its a bad idea already. Nothing will change in that.
Also, players now needs JF to move their goods to trade hubs because there is no demain in ls right? Lets break it why there is no demand why there are no customers.
1) local market doesn't provide enough stocks of what you want or doesn't offer what you want at all
2) offer is scattered amongs multiple sectors, its easier to buy all things on trade hub in hs and get it to ls with JF than to fly to 5 sectors to get what you want
3) items on the market in ls are (far) more expensive than in trade hub in hs
4) given to 1,2 and 3 players don't buy from local market
5) given to 4, players don't sell on local market because nobody would buy it anyway
6) even ls lone wolfs usually have the opportunity to request anything they want from trade hub by local JF supplier for a little extra ISK. those in corp have this opportunity almost everywhere - you order we bring it
Due to this market in ls is next to non-existant.
But if cyno wouldn't be allowed in ls this all might change. We can't know what will realistically happen if this gets implemented, it can be the dark scenario you presented but it can also establish a market in lowsec. All we know is that there will be:
- harder to get goods in and out of ls
- massive increase in pirate gangs in ls
This could create an opportunity for anyone able to make ships and fits inside the ls to sell them on local market. This could therefore bring more industry corps to supply pirate gangs with their ships. This could make an opportunities for all the small-scale traders running in blockade runner/interceptor or moving through WHs.This could allow ns alliances to sell their minerals on ls market because industrials can't really mine in so dangerous space. Thats how I see it. |
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